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		<title>How we got here</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kimiko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I mentioned in my last post that I was going to talk the search for a good critique partner. This post is going to hit and run on that topic. We&#8217;re here because I did infact audition some people as critique partners. And I found a few who were very helpful. Everyone that offered to [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mentioned in my last post that I was going to talk the search for a good critique partner. This post is going to hit and run on that topic. We&#8217;re here because I did infact audition some people as critique partners. And I found a few who were very helpful. Everyone that offered to help had some good stuff to say. Anyone I didn&#8217;t pursue was only due to chemistry with a particular person and not because I didn&#8217;t find their crits helpful. So with that little disclaimer out of the way&#8230;.(and a lead up to another post about this entire process)&#8230;</p>
<p>I am standing with 8k words in my hands, wondering if it&#8217;s good enough. This is no doubt, not an uncommon process or issue for writers. So let me tell you about how I got here.</p>
<p>I sent out my first chapter to about 5 people. I figured that since I&#8217;m happily on the 5th Chapter and I still wish to get earlier chapters podcast it was about time in the process to do a final edit and get it out to the voice actors. Hence the need for a few beta readers.</p>
<p>Each person I sent it to had some issues with my first chapter. One person in particular helped me see that I was showing the opposite of what I&#8217;d intended with my main character. This left a hearty but not impossible re-write. <a href="http://www.theinkgypsy.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">InkGypsy</a>, who&#8217;s become a big supporter and very helpful, calmed some of the stress. No, I didn&#8217;t need to trash it and start all over. Yes, it could be fixed with a bit of change here and there. It was all going to be ok.</p>
<p>So for the last week or two I&#8217;ve been mulling over how to fix Chapter 1. Then upon talking with someone else, I realize&#8230;.we might not be getting into the action soon enough. There might not be enough uf in my first chapter. Suddenly everything I have written looks extraneous and do I need to cut out large chunks of what I&#8217;ve written or do I keep it and some small change can keep it salvagable? *sounds of screams and much head holding*</p>
<p>My thought is&#8230;if I cut out a large amount of what I&#8217;ve written to make things happen faster&#8230;.isn&#8217;t that just making a book into a short story? I want to avoid doing that. It&#8217;s a novel I&#8217;m writing not a 5k word short.</p>
<p>Sadly, there is no resolution to my questions yet. This post is about my process and I haven&#8217;t found the answer yet. But I felt it was good to get this out here as I&#8217;m sure there are a few others of you right now holding your heads and sighing. We aren&#8217;t lost. We&#8217;ll discover the way out.</p>
<p>I do however, want to leave you with a few good links I&#8217;ve found:<br />
<a href="http://stacia-kane.livejournal.com/105106.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">A Novel in Three Acts Pt 1 &#8211; Stacia Kane</a><br />
<a href="http://stacia-kane.livejournal.com/105920.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">A Novel in Three Acts Pt 2 &#8211; Stacia Kane</a><br />
<a href="http://stacia-kane.livejournal.com/106375.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">A Novel in Three Acts Pt 3 &#8211; Stacia Kane</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fearofwriting.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">The Fear of Writing</a><br />
<a href="http://howtothinksideways.com/members/?rid=645" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Holly Lisle&#8217;s Think Sideways Course</a></p>
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		<title>Episode 19 &#8211; TaleChasing Feedback 0908</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kimiko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I did it! It&#8217;s less then two weeks after Dcon and I have an episode up. Granted not my NOTES from Dcon but an episode none the less. This says promising things. This is my feedback from the last year as I was a bad host and didn&#8217;t get back to it. That among other [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did it! It&#8217;s less then two weeks after Dcon and I have an episode up. Granted not my NOTES from Dcon but an episode none the less. This says promising things. This is my feedback from the last year as I was a bad host and didn&#8217;t get back to it. That among other things&#8230;is going to change!</p>
<p>Enjoy<br />
Show Notes:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.teemorris.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Tee Morris</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.adventuresinscifipublishing.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Adventures in SciFi Publishing</a> ( my bad I said American SciFi Writing)</p>
<p><a href="http://lostsocksinsanity.blog-city.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Lost Socks Insanity Podcast</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.scottsigler.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Scott Sigler</a></p>
<p><a href="http://murverse.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Mur Lafferty</a> &#8211; <a href="http://isbw.murlafferty.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">I Should Be Writing</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.dragoncon.org/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">DragonCon</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ivyreisner.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Ivy Riesner</a> &#8211; <a href="Writing Cast" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Writing Cast</a></p>
<p>PJ &#8211; <a href="http://www.techforwriters.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Tech for Writers</a></p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/pcharing" target="_blank" rel="noopener">PC Haring</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.hollylisle.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Holly Lisle</a> &#8211; <a href="http://shop.hollylisle.com/jamaffiliates/jrox.php?id=249_1_bid_11" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Shop<br />
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<p><a href="http://www.keen.com/Empathy+Chylde" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Kimi&#8217;s Tarot Lines</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ingenio.com/Dedicated+Listener" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Kimi&#8217;s Advice Lines</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ingenio.com/default.asp" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Ingenio</a></p>
<p><a href="http://inkgypsy.blog.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Ink Gypsy</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.renderosity.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Renderosity</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.deviantart.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Deviant Art</a></p>
<p><a href="http://chexm1x.deviantart.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Ian McLein</a> (props to anyone who finds the beta pic)</p>
<p><a href="http://my.smithmicro.com/win/poserpro/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Poser</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Devil-Inside-Morgan-Kingsley-Exorcist/dp/0553590448" target="_blank" rel="noopener">The Devil Inside</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.davidmack.net/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">David Mack</a></p>
<p><a href="http://howtothinksideways.com/members/?rid=645" target="_blank" rel="noopener">How to Think Sideways &#8211; Holly&#8217;s 6 month course</a></p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kimiko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi everyone! Things have been going really well. I found out today that I am a finalist for the Parsec Awards in the Best Writing Related Podcast category! Yay! I&#8217;m working on the next part of Guardians and still seeking a few voice actors for some characters coming up. Things are going well with Holly&#8217;s [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone! Things have been going really well. I found out today that I am a finalist for the Parsec Awards in the Best Writing Related Podcast category! Yay!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on the next part of Guardians and still seeking a few voice actors for some characters coming up. Things are going well with Holly&#8217;s Ebook and I&#8217;m on track to deliver to her before <a href="http://www.dragoncon.org/">DragonCon</a> in TWO WEEKS!!</p>
<p>Things are going a little slow with the <a href="http://howtothinksideways.com/members/?rid=645" target="_blank" rel="noopener">&#8220;Thinking Sideways&#8221; workshop from Holly Lisle</a>. Partly because I&#8217;m dividing my time between projects and the class. Currently I&#8217;m trying to get in touch with my Muse, so if you see her please let her know I&#8217;m patiently waiting for her to drop back by. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/72x72/1f642.png" alt="🙂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> It&#8217;s very much worth the time and money. A lot of it is helpful for life, not just writing. So I&#8217;m really digging it. I&#8217;m also going to use it to refine <a href="http://www.guardiansnovel.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Guardians</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m including my entry for Mur&#8217;s Stories from the Third Wave in prep for her release of <a href="http://www.playingforkeepsnovel.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Playing For Keeps</a> on the 25th. This was the first full-cast Stories of the Third Wave.  Love Lines producer, editor, and concept created by Kimi Alexandre. All the participants created their own characters and their own lines for Love Lines.</p>
<p>* Dora Holly – Kimi Alexandre<br />
* Jason Block – <a href="http://blockpartypodcast.com/">Jason Block</a><br />
* Amora &#8211; <a href="http://www.TheWritingCast.com/">Ivy Reisner</a><br />
* Bruno – <a href="http://www.elmofromok.com/">Chad Henderson</a><br />
* Shelly – <a href="http://flrtpodcast.com/">Paulette Jaxton</a><br />
* Julie &#8211; <a href="http://www.techforwriters.com/">Pamela Templin</a><br />
* Kim &#8211; <a href="http://www.comicbookgoddess.com/">Comic Book Goddess</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.playingforkeepsnovel.com/podpress_trac/web/125/0/sottw_10.mp3">Love Lines &#8211; A story from the Third Wave</a></p>
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		<title>Ep 13: Learning to Plot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kimiko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well I did it. I finally figured out how to put together a plot for a novel. Thanks largely to Holly Lisle the following podcast tells you from start to finish how I constructed the plot for the podcasting project soon to come. The following were mentioned in the podcast in no particular order: Holly [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I did it. I finally figured out how to put together a plot for a novel. Thanks largely to Holly Lisle the following podcast tells you from start to finish how I constructed the plot for the podcasting project soon to come.</p>
<p>The following were mentioned in the podcast in no particular order:</p>
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<li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.hollylisle.com/fm/Workshops/plot-outline1.html" rel="noopener"><font color="#669966">Holly Lisle&#8217;s FREE Mini Plot Clinic</font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://shop.hollylisle.com/jamaffiliates/jrox.php?id=249_1_tlid_21" rel="noopener"><font color="#669966">Holly Lisle&#8217;s Plot Clinic</font></a></li>
<li>Orson Scott Card &#8211; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=0898794161%26tag=giftedreader-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/0898794161%253FSubscriptionId=1N9AHEAQ2F6SVD97BE02" rel="noopener"><font color="#669966">How to write Sci Fi/Fantasy</font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.mindjet.com/us/" rel="noopener"><font color="#669966">Mind Manager Pro 7</font></a></li>
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<p>Promo:</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://isbw.murlafferty.com/" rel="noopener"><font color="#669966">I Should Be Writing</font></a></p>
<p>In the podcast I talk about how to use Mind Manager or a Bubble Map to help brainstorm for your story. The following <a target="_blank" href="http://talechasing.com/media/graphics/tc_ep13_map.pdf" rel="noopener"><font color="#669966">link is a .pdf</font></a> of a sample bubble map using <a target="_blank" href="http://www.mindjet.com/us/" rel="noopener"><font color="#669966">Mind Manger Pro 7</font></a>. It&#8217;s slightly altered from what I mention in my podcast but I&#8217;m a writer and we do that kinda thing. It will however make sense once you see it. <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/72x72/1f642.png" alt="🙂" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /></p>
<p>I also mention how to figure out the number of scene cards you need depending on your book length. Here is <a target="_blank" href="http://www.hollylisle.com/fm/Workshops/notecard_plotting.html" rel="noopener"><font color="#669966">Holly Lisle&#8217;s formula</font></a> for calculating scene cards for building a fast plot.</p>
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		<title>Episode 9 &#8211; Kimi and Site Updates</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kimiko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m excited to present you with Episode 09 &#8211; Kimi and Site Updates! The following were mentioned in the show: Plot Clinic &#8211; Holly Lisle Free Plot Mini Course &#8211; Holly Lisle Stacia Kane &#8211; Personal Demons Orson Scott Card &#8211; Writing Sci Fi and Fantasy Rachel Vincent &#8211; WereCat Series Kim Harrison &#8211; Outlaw [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m excited to present you with Episode 09 &#8211; Kimi and Site Updates!</p>
<p>The following were mentioned in the show:</p>
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<li><a target="_blank" href="http://shop.hollylisle.com/jamaffiliates/jrox.php?id=249_1_bid_11" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>Plot Clinic &#8211; Holly Lisle</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://hollylisle.com/fm/Workshops/plot-outline1.html" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>Free Plot Mini Course &#8211; Holly Lisle</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.staciakane.com/" rel="noopener"><strong><font color="#4a5b87">Stacia Kane</font></strong></a> &#8211; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&amp;keywords=Stacia%20Kane&amp;tag=giftedreader-20&amp;index=blended&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>Personal Demons</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&amp;keywords=Orson%20Scott%20Card&amp;tag=giftedreader-20&amp;index=blended&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325" rel="noopener"><strong><font color="#4a5b87">Orson Scott Card</font></strong></a> &#8211; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FHow-Write-Science-Fiction-Fantasy%2Fdp%2F158297103X%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1205383347%26sr%3D8-1&amp;tag=giftedreader-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>Writing Sci Fi and Fantasy</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://rachelvincent.com/" rel="noopener"><strong><font color="#4a5b87">Rachel Vincent</font></strong></a> &#8211; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?ie=UTF8&amp;keywords=Rachel%20Vincent&amp;tag=giftedreader-20&amp;index=blended&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>WereCat Series</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.kimharrison.net/" rel="noopener"><strong><font color="#4a5b87">Kim Harrison</font></strong></a> &#8211; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FOutlaw-Demon-Wails-Rachel-Morgan%2Fdp%2F0060788704%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1205383572%26sr%3D8-1&amp;tag=giftedreader-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>Outlaw Demon Wails</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.paperbackswap.com/index.php?n=7&amp;r_by=KimiDrms" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>PaperbackSwap.com</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.mindtweaks.com/" rel="noopener"><strong><font color="#4a5b87">Mind Tweaks</font></strong></a> &#8211; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.mindtweaks.com/creativecrunch/" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>Creative Crunch</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://podcastle.org/" rel="noopener"><strong><font color="#4a5b87">Podcastle</font></strong></a>, <a target="_blank" href="http://escapepod.org/" rel="noopener"><strong><font color="#4a5b87">EscapePod</font></strong></a>, <a target="_blank" href="http://pseudopod.org/" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>Psuedopod</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://pbackwriter.blogspot.com/" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>Paperback Writer</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.podpress.org/" rel="noopener"><font color="#4a5b87"><strong>Podpress</strong></font></a></li>
<li><a target="_blank" href="http://www.podcampnyc.org/" rel="noopener"><strong><font color="#4a5b87">PodcampNYC 2.0</font></strong></a></li>
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